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(Message started by: M`rek on Feb 13^th, 2005, 12:25am)

Title: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by M`rek on Feb 13^th, 2005, 12:25am

Hmmm...

'ech

and

tolth

I think K'Hare having a Rank idenity crises. Can't seem to get that Rank right.

Pehaps to iliminate the confusion should call him tIn yIH ;D

See give him new name and not have to worry any more...

Hhehe... I am daring... Heres a Challenge to see who first one is to translate that... I must say I doubt it will be forgotten...

;D

(Just so know, I am aware that tolth is miss spelling of totlh)

Having Fun here ;D

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ing The Puny on Feb 13^th, 2005, 12:49am

No, no, he was a tolth', not a tolth.

There's a significant difference in Klingon... Just like how So'l is the name of the student while Sol means 'to quarrel'.

But I can see tIn yIH - he does give out those yIH van'a'mey, after all.

;D

-Ing

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by M`rek on Feb 13^th, 2005, 1:04am

Actualy according to several sites...

http://www.alpha-fleet.com/klingonranks.htm

http://www.geocities.com/klingon_embassy/ranks

http://www.klingonempire.org/contentid-9.html

http://www.startrekpbem.net/index.php?action=rankKlingon

http://www.geocities.com/mfvkala/ranks.htm

Including my Klignon Dictionary at Home... totlh is correct spelling, not totlh' ;D

I was already aware of the use of ' as a seperate letter.

No harm done though. Knew you would be first to respond Ing ;D

hehe...

;D

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ing The Puny on Feb 13^th, 2005, 1:19am

totlh is the correct spelling.

But be'thal called him a tolth', not a tolth.

tolth' is actually not a word in Klingon, they have no character that is represented with our 'h'. toltH' would be a word, though.

totlh is actually a 3-letter word in Klingon, we use the combination tlh to represent a single Klingon character. If you go back a bit over a year on the KDB boards, you'll see a discussion about events on "Section tlh". Which would be just like us saying "Section C", only with a Klingon letter.

On the other hand, there is also no Klingon character which is properly represented in our alphabet using the letter k, or K for that matter.

Which means all those names K'Hare, K'rahl, m'rek, K'tar, K'megh, K'grath, K'tanna, Khoal, and so on are all incorrect Klingon as well. Klingon has several different sounds that are similar to the english K, but they are represented by q or Q, with somewhat less similar sounds being represented by gh, tlh, and H.

So in proper Klingon they should be spelled with one of those instead of a K. For example, Khitomer in Klingon is QI'tomer. And 'Klingon' in Klingon is tlhIngan.

-Ing

Edit: Then again, it was K'Hare that said, "Now I am a tolth..." without the break character ('). So that's three different ranks he's been called.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 13^th, 2005, 5:39am

Don't you people have anything better to do?

I am picking on ta'pez because he can't ever get my rank right... and he is probably doing it on purpose because he thinks it is funny.

The rank set that matters to any BF character is the one on the Bravofleet site. Go to the database, look up Klingons and check the bottom of the page.

And K'Hare's name, in the BF records is K'Hare, despite the fact that it isn't a Klingon name. That isn't a mistake. Like many Klingons his name in the federation records is one that flatheads would find easier to say and spell.

Like his House, this is the first time in three years anyone has mentioned this little detail. Maybe someday you will learn how to spell his name in Klingon, if you are worthy to know it.

And m'rek, I believe you meant to say yIH tIn but yIH tInqu' would better fit your attempt, you nach chImqu' tIn.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by M`rek on Feb 13^th, 2005, 10:48am

K`Hare totlh wrote:

Don't you people have anything better to do?

Hmm... Nope not at the time. ;D Sure will soon though hehhe...

Quote:

I am picking on ta'pez because he can't ever get my rank right... and he is probably doing it on purpose because he thinks it is funny.

Now we gotta be allowed to have some fun to...

Quote:

The rank set that matters to any BF character is the one on the Bravofleet site. Go to the database, look up Klingons and check the bottom of the page.

And K'Hare's name, in the BF records is K'Hare, despite the fact that it isn't a Klingon name. That isn't a mistake. Like many Klingons his name in the federation records is one that flatheads would find easier to say and spell.

Like his House, this is the first time in three years anyone has mentioned this little detail. Maybe someday you will learn how to spell his name in Klingon, if you are worthy to know it.

Aye, agree, M'Rek not Klingon spelling either and is ment to be a Klingon name not Hirogen.

Lets see if I can do my best... q'Har seems close if I am pronouncing the name right...

Am I right?

Quote:

And m'rek, I believe you meant to say yIH tIn but yIH tInqu' would better fit your attempt, you nach chImqu' tIn.

Hmmmm... nach chImqu' tIn does sorta fit at times... ;D But you'll be amazed how litle space there is when comes to combat hehe..

Of course with as many K'Hare's that have been running around, can't completely disagree with yIH tInqu' Hehehe... ;D

(All in the name of Fun) 8)

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 13^th, 2005, 11:39am

K'Hare's actual name has been said before and it would be impossible for you to guess it. I think the only who knows it is Q'olavraH.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 13^th, 2005, 1:37pm

Quisling ? ;D

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by gtrell on Feb 13^th, 2005, 2:23pm

;D I will hold my wicked tounge on this matter. Only because I think K'Hare is cool and diserves my up most repect.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by M`rek on Feb 13^th, 2005, 2:36pm

gtrell wrote:

;D I will hold my wicked tounge on this matter. Only because I think K'Hare is cool and diserves my up most repect.

Ahh I'm sure he is pretty cool, still have to side with my HoD though. ;D

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by gtrell on Feb 13^th, 2005, 4:31pm

;D Do your thing. I wont stop you.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ing The Puny on Feb 13^th, 2005, 6:23pm

I think he meant yIH'a'

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 14^th, 2005, 12:02pm

actually he has no rank - he is a fake

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Dan on Feb 14^th, 2005, 12:09pm

Wouldn't it take a fake to know a fake?

~Dan

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 14^th, 2005, 12:32pm

no - just good vision and some earlobes in prime display

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by gtrell on Feb 14^th, 2005, 4:00pm

hmmmmm. Why would a romulan go through so much trouble? Its against their nature to put so much effort into anything. And if he is a fake where is the REAL K'Hare????? ???

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by JakeNess on Feb 17^th, 2005, 9:28pm

I am proud to say, that as far as my name, Taj'vl, I am a true Klingon!

NOTE: Reminding everyone that Z isn't a Klingon letter neither so thats means thatz Tappy's namez not real either

(don't bug me on spelling or grammar because this is an official disclaimer that all spelling and grammar errors were intentionaly inserted)

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Falco_Tauvits on Feb 17^th, 2005, 9:31pm

Intentionaly, ey?

(low blow, but you opened the doors for them)

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 18^th, 2005, 12:51pm

my naming ?

yeah - partial intention

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by JakeNess on Feb 19^th, 2005, 9:28pm

What about Kurn and Km'tar? They are canon Klingon names that use K

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by M`rek on Feb 19^th, 2005, 10:17pm

JakeNess wrote:

What about Kurn and Km'tar? They are canon Klingon names that use K

Actualy Kurn and Km'tar are just the Terran spelling of the names. There is no K in the Klingon alphabet. There is Q , q, which can sound simular to a K. Think H does to but can't remeber for sure there right now.

;D

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by JakeNess on Feb 19^th, 2005, 10:27pm

then you would spell Worf's brother's name how?

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 20^th, 2005, 1:34am

wo'rIv, son of mogh liked to study tlhIngan operas such as 'aqtu' and mellota' and plays written by SeQpIr as well as the history of such federation heroes as qerq and janluq pIqarD, both captains of the 'entepray' and ghawran and qeylIS'e' lIjlaHbe'bogh vay'.

Just to give you some examples. I would spell his brother's name as qern but it could vary slightly depending on the correct pronunciation.

And ness, it isn't just Dan that responds to you.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by K`rahl on Feb 20^th, 2005, 1:36pm

K'rahl is correctly written Q'ral. I know that and so should the other senior Klingons. I may have said this before on KDB Forum or BF Forum, not sure.

Basicly the name is pronounced similarly to the word kraal, look it up in a dictionary. Real Earth word. The K has a guteral after sound and is shown as Q'. The r is similar to the English pronunciation. The a is slightly longer than average a sounds in English but is exactly the same as the sound in the word psalm, I added the h to approximate it the easiest.

So basicly K'rahl is just an easy representation for ease of reading. I don't expect everyone to learn the Klingon alphabet just to say my name.

I have stopped doing this for some characters. My dead older brother Q'Qan for example. Shocking name for terang'anpu' to struggle with but the closest approximation was K'kan anway.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by M`rek on Feb 20^th, 2005, 2:07pm

K`rahl wrote:

Yeh, lets Just hope not to many get Your character K'rahl mixed up with my Character from D'bloq Kral lol. Already had someone try to correct my spelling of the name, thinking they were the same Character lol.

(I know Ta'pez you told me that might happen LOL)

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 20^th, 2005, 4:55pm

list the house everythime - that might help

or who the father is

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by TalVur on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 12:34pm

Or just "Kral of not the Betazoid persuasion". Silly Ta'pez and those things you do...

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 12:45pm

Kral has nothing to do with my house and in fact is only under my command ....talvur i am looking forward to doing a "beaten like Qol" match vs you

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by M`rek on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 4:48pm

Ta`pez HoD wrote:

Kral has nothing to do with my house and in fact is only under my command ....talvur i am looking forward to doing a "beaten like Qol" match vs you

Yep, and not even serving on the meH'Haj. As for the House, that why got it in my signiture now. Kral, Head of the House of Mok (well Lord but same thing lol)

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 4:54pm

Nope. Head and Lord aren't exactly the same thing.

I guess Chang was an Imperial. He was on the council so that is enough I suppose. K'rahl? you think ta'pez should be a Lord?

I mean semantically... not from your IC viewpoint. (:}

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by M`rek on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 5:07pm

K`Hare totlh wrote:

K'rahl? Hehe well hope you are talking to him instead.

Still, I guess I am not completely knowledgable about the different names for the different positions in the house. I know Kral took over being the head the House of Mok after his father, uncle, and several cousins were lost in the war.

Unlike Ta'pez, Kral is not an adopted son, but was in line for leading the house threw blood relationship. Being the natural son of his Father.

I am not sure what you would count that. I always thought the posoitons were about the same but am welcome to being corrected and to learn more. Thanks

;D

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 5:29pm

In my view, and this is my opinion, not canon, the Lords are the most powerful of the Klingons, the most noble in the Imperial sense. Specifically, the Houses who have a Klingon on the High Council or some other similar definition.

So K'rahl, House K'brd'lck is 3rd Lord because his House has council influence. House Chang has had members on the Council so they are Imperial.

But a House from some random, even if powerful House, like say House DarQ don't have Lords.

Note that it is canon, but subtle that there is a pin you can where if you were born on the homeworld. So K'rahl has it, but not his two kids, even though they are all Imperial.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by K`rahl on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 5:51pm

K'Hare knows me well Kral and would not likely mistake the one for the other.

I must concur with him in much of what he says here.

Ia'pez is indeed a Lord. The question of his parents is completely imaterial. He is the leader of an Imperial House. When he was adopted by Chang the Younger he became an Imperial. That he was not of the same blood matters nothing.

Also as stated by K'Hare, my children were not born on Qo'noS yet they are still Imperial.

I am Third Lord of the House of K'brd'Lok. My Grandsire, K'Trol is First Lord and my Father, Kur'rk is Second Lord. This does not make succesion automatic, another could challenge for a place in the heirachy if they thought they were truly better suited.

Some others may claim to be Imperial, indeed they may claim to be Lords. However those of us who correctly hold those positions in society can tell the genuine from the fraud.

Whether I would approve or not, Ta'pez is a Lord... Just do not hold your breath waiting for me to address him as such, unless by title alone.

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 6:06pm

And of course the same for K'Hare. (:}

Assuming he gets a House, he is never a lord until he gets on the Council unless he joins a House on the Council and takes over.

Which currently, would be out of character.

We are all holding our breath waiting for K'rahl to adopt me and make me his heir, right?

Title: Re: The Ranks of K'Hare
Post by Q`olavraH on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 6:08pm

Doctor Evil: Riiiiiiiight....