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(Message started by: K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2005, 2:52pm)

Title: For next year:
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2005, 2:52pm

I haven't installed the poll module for this forum either, so I will just ask for comments.

The following is a question for the 4th annual betleH tourney. It will have no effect on this year.

Let me say that again. It is too late to change the rules for this year. This will not effect this year at all. Please put the line "For next year at the 4th annual tourney I think: " at the start of each reply because someone will read just the last reply and think its a rule for this year.

OK, we all have it, right, this is for next year?

I have been thinking about the fighting with honor/dirty thing. Currently, the only downside to fighting dirty is ridicule from me. So I have tried to come up with something as a punishment that would still make those who would fight dirty do it.

The best I have come up with is that fighting dirty has a chance of making you get disqualified. It has to be a small chance or it would never be worth it. The two variations I have come up with are fighting dirty, 5% chance, very dirty, 10% chance (or slightly different numbers) or that eceryone has a chance, even fighting very honorably, but the chance gets worse at each level down.

What do people think about doing this for next year? (Not this year!) And what should the odds be?

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by gtrell on Feb 14^th, 2005, 3:20pm

I think its a great idea and should have been put up from the start. I have lost too many battles to the fact that my charater fights honorably in every fight. Its starting to get depressing that the ones who fight with out honor get away with it scott free. Thats why last year and the year before a lot of good honorable fighters got taken out in the first runs. Though they still held their honor they had little else to show for their efforts. Personally I think that some sort of mark should be put up for those who fight dirty" something like a black ribbon they must wear on their armor for the rest of the tourney and for every "dirty fight after that anther ribbon is added that raises the %age for a disqualification. Perhaps This way that charater is constantly reminded through out the tourny that he or she is disgraced for their actions. and those whom fight " Very dirty" take a higher risk of being disqualified. I have no problem with the little guys fighting "Dirty" because some times its the only chance they have to win. For those with a higher score setting like mine 10 & up. there should be a higher percentage of being disqualified and aside from the "black ribbon" for fighting dirty they should run a 10% to 15% of being disqualified seeing as they really dont need the added advantage, and for fighting "Very Dirty" should be 20% to 25% for the same reason.

These are just my thoughts and I dont mind if people disagree. It just seems more fair this way is all. Its probably a bit confusing but I will happly clarify it to anyone interested.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2005, 4:25pm

So, for next year at the 4th annual tourney you think there should be chance of disqualification that is based on how dirty you fight and what your skill is?

That's a good twist... the better you fight, the more likely a judge will blow the whistle on you... you should know better? And if you cheat in one round, your chance of getting caught goes up? Again, that makes some sense.

But we have to be careful not to make it nonviable to cheat... otherwise, what's the point of allowing it in the first place?

Other comments on a change for next year that doesn't affect this year at all?

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Falco_Tauvits on Feb 14^th, 2005, 4:33pm

I'm not 100% sure on a disqualification thing for fighting dirty. It does feel a little like it's overlooking the roleplaying aspects of fighting dishonourably, which I employed last year. Granted, if Tauvits had been disqualified in his dirty fighting last year, I would have rolled with the punches on that one with his story.

The thing is, dirty fighting is way too easily used just for the sake of winning. I like to think I justified Tauvits' arc last year with his manner of fighting, but he way exceeded all expectations as to how far he got, and that was down to the dirty fighting.

I don't know. I think it's a good idea, but there is the fact that not everyone uses dirty fighting just to win their round, OOC. Someone can be doing it for roleplaying reasons JUST as viable as those of someone fighting with honour, and I'm not sure we should punish because of it. But, in terms of RP, it is also fairly reasonable to include potential disqualification.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 14^th, 2005, 4:35pm

maybe a mega dirty for extra point plus a small disqualification

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by gtrell on Feb 14^th, 2005, 5:53pm

:-[ It was just a suggestion. Sorry I said anything. :(

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2005, 7:02pm

And I was asking for suggestions.

Arguably, you could use dirty fighting for role playing only and get no bonus for it.

I am just trying to balance it all out. Right now, there is no way to get disqualified. This would add that into the mix.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by M`rek on Feb 14^th, 2005, 7:06pm

I know I found it a bit distressing that someone who fights honorably is taking down points. Your basicaly incuraging others to fight dirty and the person who fights honorably as a Klingon should is most likely to loose.

Also not sure I agree with the way you ask what skill level is when first join.

When I joined I was staring at that for quiet a while. For one thing I didn't know how you where judged to be allow in game. Another it used Characters as example.

Say you look at where says if skill equal to Kahless. Or if equal to Martok, well your using characters in comparasion with no true standanrd to compare to. How do you know how strong these characters are in relation to each other. I haven't seen anything that puts them on a scale of strongest ot weakest. And How strong is the strongest? How weak is the weakist?

I was concerned that if chose to high would be judged as to strong for the character (didn't know how strong strogest was) But didn't want to chose something to weak because I would be giving understating the strength of my character. I ended up chosing something in between.

Basicaly, saying that should make the scale and choices more clear and easy to understand.

Hope you not mind this on here...

Qapla

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Falco_Tauvits on Feb 14^th, 2005, 7:59pm

That's a fair point. I think I went for the safe (ie, lower) decision on the "As good as..." skill descriptor. It's hard to judge precisely.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 14^th, 2005, 8:53pm

maybe this way honor iscostlier and hense the reward of it greater

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Q`olavraH on Feb 15^th, 2005, 9:08pm

On the thing where you choose skill level I chose the highest since I know K'Hare knows the Q'olavraH character as well as I do and so he would give me the right level anyway.. ;D

As to the fighting dirty or honorably thing...

Q'olavraH fought with great honor in EVERY fight last year and she was second place. You CAN win if you fight with great honor all the time. And the last fight with ta'pez did come down to the honor thing, but you know what? I am GLAD it ended with him winning, because it gave both of us a great chance to really grow our characters and do something big.

I know Damian agrees with me 100% because we have spoken and we have both agreed that the writing we did together is some of the best both of us have ever done. We had a blast and I liked losing because it teaches character to your character. :)

Winning is nice, but losing can be better.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 15^th, 2005, 9:46pm

couldnt have said it better myself - when it comes down to it - its all about you and your story.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Falco_Tauvits on Feb 15^th, 2005, 11:16pm

Still, I'd like to point one thing out about Q'ol - she's one of the the very most powerful in the tournament, and can afford, much more than others can, to fight honourably, and still stand a great chance at succeeding. She can fight with great honour, and her skill score is still in the top five or six of all contestants in the tournament. So it's not entirely fair to talk about fighting with honour and still doing perfectly well when your character has the combat skill to compensate somewhat for a fighting 'flaw' which RP demands.

My money's still on Q'ol to win this year, mind. ;)

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 15^th, 2005, 11:33pm

then visit the bookie thread

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 16^th, 2005, 12:29am

Well, I hope everyone would expect the high skilled Klingons to fight with honor.

Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory.

And the point isn't to win the tourney. It is to be your character. How does he handle victory, how does he handle loss?

If you can't lose, you can't win.

It is easy to say that I am a judge so how can I understand but remember, the first year I lost my first round to an ensign human who wasn't a combat character. But what happened after?

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by M`rek on Feb 16^th, 2005, 12:44am

Yeh. I chose to have my character fight with Honor, even though knew skill level wasn't real high for winning. To lose in Honor I think is better than to win in dishonor. I enjoyed the battle with K'vok anyways ans even though lost he didn't lose easily ;D hehe

He fought until he became unconscious lol.

No point was making is that as much fun is either way didn't like feeling at a lose to what I was setting my character's skill for. I knew in mind what his skill was but not what he was compare to them characters.

The Honor modifyer was simple to understand. had Know what Honor is know what fighting ugly ment. Didn't know how high skill Kahless or Martok supposed to have. Was just a guess.

Just think next year should make clearer scale to go by. Kahless skill, Martok's skill. Could of been any strength of skill wiothout knowing how far that scale went.

Not to mention not everyone would know much about these characters.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 16^th, 2005, 1:00am

afte winning twice Ta'pez will win one more time before retirining from the tournament.

from there he will direct and teach others how to fight as the new joH

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by FADM Tomas Wolfe on Feb 16^th, 2005, 8:00am

Here's a suggestion.

Keep the same honor modifiers as you currently use. Yeah, someone who's fighting dirty normally does gain an advantage in a fight... but can they overcome the skill of the other fighter?

And I like the idea of there being a penalty for fighting dirty. If someone fights dirty (can't remember the exact title), they get +1... but they should also have a 5% chance of getting disqualified... simply rolling a D20 and if it ends up as a 1 (or 20) would mean he got caught. Very dirty would be 10%, meaing it would be rolling a 1 or 2 on a D20.

I also like the idea of it accumulating, to a point. Yeah, if so and so fought dirty and won, his opponent might go to the judges about it, and they might be on the look out a bit more the next time around. But I wouldn't go any higher then 25 or 30 % (a die roll of 1-4 on D20).

But let's flip the script as well. Fighting with honor limits you some what, but let's add in a bit of luck for fighting from a balanced mindset. Maybe, since your fightiong with a pure heart, there's a chance you get lucky and spot an opening from your opponent trying to fight dirty.

If you fought with honor and get the -1 modifier, you also have a 5% chance to score a automatic "kill". Not sure how you want to word it, so that's why I said kill.

That could be done the same was, use a D20 and roll a 1, and your character spotted an opening and disarmed/bloodied/knocked out/killed the opponent, regardless of the end skill result.

If you fight very honorable, it would be 10%, D20 roll of 1 or 2.

Adding it up over the tournament... I would go with putting a cap of 30% at most on it... maybe just 25%.

If we went with these rules, then say someone who was 5 or 6 skill points lower then their opponent might end up losing according to the die, but since they fought with honor, they just might get "lucky" to spot that opening to get that win. A 5 or 10% chance isn't much really. Likewise, if their opponent fought very dirty, they might of been caught as well, and lost in disgrace... would of been disqualified if they had won.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ing The Puny on Feb 16^th, 2005, 3:29pm

Fighting with honor means beating your opponent through skill rather than luck.

That is the whole point of not taking advantage of any 'lucky breaks' that come your way. On the other hand, fighting dishonorably means siezing every opportunity, even those that were created through random chance, rather than those you create through being a superior fighter.

I would say that the biggest disadvantage to fighting dishonorably would be to motivate your future opponents to want to eliminate you from the tournament, to remove the stain your dishonor is placing on the competition. The crowd will cheer on an honorable fighter over a dishonorable one, giving the honorable warrior an edge in... well, you can call it 'spirit' or 'karma' or just say it's purely psychological, but it is a definite edge.

So perhaps give each fighter a 'spirit bonus' (or penalty) equal to somewhere between 1/5 and 1/10 their total accumulated honor during the tournament so far. So the longer you go fighting dishonorably, the worse youse 'spirit' becomes, but the longer you go fighting honorably the better it becomes. This would also provide disincentive for 'fight same as opponent', because you wouldn't know what the consequences of doing so would do to your accumulated spirit bonus.

I should also mention that I like 2 dice per fighter better than 1 die per fighter, because (assuming similar overall ranges) the bell curve on 2 dice makes large upsets less likely, while the wider range on two dice makes bigger upsets possible. (Compare 1d10 to 2d6 here (http://www.batlh.com/cgi-bin/betleHIII/YaBB.pl?board=genQuas;action=display;num=1106519286).)

To go along with dishonor allowing greater influence for luck to aid you, I like replacing the current honor modifiers and die roll with:
Very Honorable: 2d4 (avg 5)
Honorable: d4+d6 (avg 6)
Neutral: 2d6 (avg 7)
Dirty: d6+d8 (avg 8)
Very Dirty: 2d8 (avg 9)
You'll note that the difference in average scores between any two stances is identical to what it is under the current system. Dirty still gives a 3-point edge over Honorable.

This way, if both fighters choos Very Honorable, the match will likely be determined purely by skill - the variance on 2d4 is actually less than with 1d6. Bbut the dirtier you fight, the better your chances of getting lucky with a big die roll, although there is no guarantee it will help you at all, since you can still roll less than your opponent.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by gtrell on Feb 16^th, 2005, 5:15pm

Great Idea Ing! Thats sounds like a promising and fair way to work things out. ;D

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by TalVur on Feb 16^th, 2005, 6:06pm

Yeah, I do like the sound of the automatic wins or losses to roll with the honor, I like it all. Having people that care and want to improve something shows that this tournament is going to be around for some time. What I would like to see for next year is 64 unique entrants and the elimination of the first NPC round...Would be nice if we could do it...

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 16^th, 2005, 7:53pm

i dont mind Ings idea about carma - but if we want to level the playing field we should make it all equal, because ulitmatly fighting dishonorably makes does give you and advantage but i agree carries risks

so the carma suggestion is good. but the challange and the reward is to play honorably. Otherwise we might as well just go to random wins

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by FADM Tomas Wolfe on Feb 17^th, 2005, 12:17am

Okay... on my suggestion of giving a bonus for honorable and a risk to dirty... maybe I shouldn't of used the work "luck" per say.

It's all about how you word it, but in normal RPGing, most weapons give you the chance to score a critical hit... well, maybe in our circle, fighting honorable would allow you to score a critical hit... a win despite the overall skill scores, for fighting honorable....

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ing The Puny on Feb 18^th, 2005, 1:02am

After seeing some of the issues around the posts for the fights that have come up, I think it would be a good idea to have a "Work on Fight JPs Here" section, where fighters were specifically directed to work together on the JPs for their fights.

Everything posted there would be unofficial, until the fighters both posted their seal of approval on it, at which time it would be moved into the appropriate time slot for everyone else to read.

In addition to heading off some of the issues we're currently experiencing, it would also give people a better chance to write their fights in advance.

As an additional idea, you could set that area so only the judges could start threads, and for each fight, the judge could start the thread with the post about who's supposed to win and what the honor modifiers were. That would also help settle arguments about people writing their honor settings appropriately in character or not.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 18^th, 2005, 1:25pm

that would be good IF the judges were online as much as they should be - while i am not saying that the judges are slacking (they are not) - they alreay have a heavy load.

What the people should do is make sure that they post or otherwise loose the match.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 18^th, 2005, 2:02pm

There was a concious decision not to specifically post the die rolls and the honor choices of each combatant. We also try to give each pair time to do their post before the results are known. This way, the post of who won can be read with a little more drama.

I am still mulling over the idea that fighting with honor can give you an auto win. I like the feel of the judges catching you cheating and someone can use an illegal move and get away with it. We saw that in the Worf episode, Parallels. But I am not sure I like the feel of someone with a very low skill beating someone with a very high skill because of a critical. Once we go there we have to think about a much better skill system so we can have a high skill affect the chance of critical and it just gets more and more complex.

One thing I have thought about is modifying the system so that young characters can't have better than a certain skill. The down side to that is that K'rahl, Ta'pez, and K'Hare are all close to as high as they can get and their ae will knock there skill down. Maybe that's a good thing. I don't think any PC in BF should be a Dahar master unless they've had a really high rank and are really experienced character. You can always come up with a story as to why it would happen. We get the sense that Worf is better than Martok and yet both were impressed that qor did what he did in "Once More Unto the Breech".

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ing The Puny on Feb 18^th, 2005, 2:19pm

People are going to want to be able to set their honor modifiers and have their characters react based on the honor with which someone fights. If people don't post their character's actions to accurately reflect their honor stance chosen for the fight, then this becomes impossible. Posting the actually selected honor stance will make the role-playing consequences of fighting dirty be much better tied to the selected honor stances.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Q`olavraH on Feb 18^th, 2005, 4:29pm

I always ask the person what honor stance they fought with before we even start the post.

If I do not think they are writing to accurately reflect that they fought dirty or they try to 'get away with' not fighting as dirty as they chose to it ticks me off major.

Anyone who knows me, knows why it ticks me off. :)

I just think it is common courtesy for the players to tell each other what honor they chose before they start writing the post.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 20^th, 2005, 4:56pm

Q`olavraH wrote:

i completly agree with this stance. The judges should make sure this occurs

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Falco_Tauvits on Feb 20^th, 2005, 5:04pm

And if you're struggling, go for things like kicking sand in the eyes, kicking in the shins (general kicking is a good start), tripping your opponent up if you have the chance... anything which would deviate from the strictest of rules.

Fighting honourably is harder to portray. It's things like letting your opponent get back up again if they fall over, trying to beat them in a fair fight rather than take advantage of an opportunity which arose by chance or clumsiness trying to grab a victory from personal skill.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 20^th, 2005, 7:40pm

K`Hare totlh wrote:

It is easy to say that I am a judge so how can I understand but remember, the first year I lost my first round to an ensign human who wasn't a combat character. But what happened after?

you proved yourself to by being a true alcoholic - one way to drink yourself into a command position

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 24^th, 2005, 10:31am

so the tourney is over - i can say there are a few things that have irked me

1: people with honor settings that arent reflected in their posts - i dont know wht was the reasoning for not postng those clearly - and making sure everybody knows - i think this is a very important aspect - u gotta pay to play and others knowing how you fight and in what way you play dirty

now i can understand if people dont know how to do this battle scene wise - i am sure the more expirienced players can create a lists of do's and donts

not following these guidelines should carry a severe penalty - if you play dirty make sure you write that out - yes winning is nice - but stick to the truth of how you did it - exellent example of that would be last years finale - i played dirty and Qol played honorable and out posts clearly showed that - INFACT those posts were judged by many to be some of the best tourney posts around largely because of this.

2. people posting actions without consideration for others - if you are doing something that is affecting the other player in some way make sure you are ready to cooperate with him in that regard - obviously the judges are set above that - but dont be posting anything that might involve others and then expect that they are just play along with your plans even if that would be totally out of character for the other player
-this is espcially the case in the matches - if something like this occurs the judges should give the match to your opponent no matter what the initial dice outcome was

3. Dont expect to get away with outrageous nuts - you draw a gun on a fed base your in the brig. Some common sense goes alog way - no bloody sword in the legion either - especially not while talking to somebody

4. Irregular posting - i know people like to participate in the tournament as it is something that brings may different players together but if you dont have enough time let others know.

if you cant post let your players know ahead of time - if you expect to be unavailable make some plans and let your fellow match participants know and prepare.

there is no reason for the game to be held up just because you dont have the time to respond.

the judges should consider a process where if the player doesnt post then he might as well loose the match.

last tourney around K'rahl and I had issues putting out jp together due to scedule and timezone conflicts - we made every effort to resolve that including jping something ahead of time that would allow us to quickly do whatever needed done inorder not to let the game hang

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 24^th, 2005, 10:56am

First off, the tourney isn't over. There is still one more round. The round of 2 which is the winners from the roudn of 4 but also, 3rd and 4th get determined by facing off.

Much of what you are saying is a problem with any joint mission, and that is what this is, a joint mission. It is just a uniquely constructed one.

Since we are mixing characters from different simms with different styles conflicts will happen. the best we can do is to try and make it better each year.

The response time is an issue. We have to expect and allow for some unexpected things to come up. At the same time, signing up includes some responsibility. So next year we will probably add some rules for the fighters so that the combats run on a better schedule.

One thing I noticed was it was cumbersome not having a area between the two fight times so next year I will suggest having an early fight area, then a lunch area, then a evening fight area. But all in all, I think the forum structure and the different times slices made the problem of some people not getting on each day, a little easier to deal with. I know I have had an easier time following everything this year despite the fact that there was more content.

Not posting the specific mechanics and rolls is a choice. I favor that because it means you have to communicate such things in the writing. If we post all the numbers, then winning becomes a min/max game and in the end, the point is to play your character. The combat system only exists because it would be less fair to have me look at the bios and say Q'olaraH wins... I mean, the character with the best skill from their history wins.

If you as a player want to reveal your honor setting OOC each round, then I don't have a problem with that.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 24^th, 2005, 11:02am

i am not complaining about the tourney being completly linear - no not all - the forum cerainly eased certain things and allowed for the stuff to be revealed in an acceptable fashion

but if you play dirty - everybody should see that - it will be obvious IC if it happens -unless the players decide otherwise that manner should be clearly shown.

not stating that only aids to dishonorble fighting without backing it up.

i am sure if 2 players are posting a long jp then we can wait - they will be updating us - but not posting anything or the thnings that i have mentioned is just not good for this game.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Q`olavraH on Feb 24^th, 2005, 11:53am

Possibly next year you can make it mandatory that your character stay for the entire tourney, even if they lose.

It makes me somewhat upset that characters seem to disappear as soon as they lose a round.

With my character I stay till the bitter end, and sometimes a bit beyond that. How could K'Hare and I have become such good friends if we had left after we both lost in the first round that first year?

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 24^th, 2005, 12:12pm

that would certanly be an option another option would be to have the player have X amount of matches and depending on that they could go from there

instead of having a braket to have a group and then a final shoot out

something along the lines of groups - where all the players play in the group

then the top 2 are selected for the quater and semi finals

groups could be based on skill - or character association (klingons, feds ,champtions, returning players etc)

that way the playout would be staggered

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by TalVur on Feb 24^th, 2005, 12:36pm

Something I've been hearing the occasional grumbling about is that it seems that the people who advace are the ship's champions. Mind you, I understand this because they aren't the ship's champion for nothing, but perhaps something could be done to break this chain?

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 24^th, 2005, 12:54pm

i am not sure why they would break it - they are the more likely people to win because they are the best

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 24^th, 2005, 1:12pm

I don't want to restrict the event to just the people that can spend 2-3 hours a day. There is a place for people who can only check every few days. They can still enjoy it and add to it.

Look at Sajida this year. She couldn't guarentee the time early one but she is active now.

I do think that the combats need people who are more available because passae of time is dependant on the combat happening.

But note that I also think one can have fun and enjoy this tourney without being in any matches... look what happened to K'Hare this year for example. The interaction with Sajida and Tauvits and Taylor. The stuf with Taylor would have happened anyway, just in a different setting but the stuff with the other two... probably not.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ta`pez HoD on Feb 24^th, 2005, 1:24pm

i just feel that with the tourney being limited to 64 contestants - the contestants should be those people who are active and can tell a lot

those who have less time can be there as attendees - the way sajida managed

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Dan on Feb 24^th, 2005, 2:45pm

Do the honour stances get told to the opponant before the match?

If not they probably should be, then during the JP both players can ensure their characters and their opponents characters are fighting as they planned.

Perhaps the bio system could be adapted next year to send out email reminders about honour stances, and perhaps even send out emails to each competitor about their next match. It would save K'Hare (or who ever) having to do that manually.

Speaking as a practical lay person in here, I'd think that most fighters would be able to work out someones honour stance in a real fight after a few blows. Theres no reason why the players shouldn't find it out OOC so they can factor that in to their posts.

~Dan

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by Ing The Puny on Feb 24^th, 2005, 3:00pm

Speaking as someone who plays a sneaky bastard or two, there's no way to tell if your opponent is willing to fight dirty or not... Until they actually do something.

A properly played sneaky bastard will fight honorably until you slip in that puddle of some body fluid or other. Then, he'll make the dirty move while you are off-balance.

Some people may fight dirty from the get-go, but the ones to worry about are the ones who pretend to be honorable, but will sieze any dishonorable opening that presents itself. It's a matter of being opportunistically dirty vs. consistently dirty.

Title: Re: For next year:
Post by M`rek on Feb 24^th, 2005, 6:19pm

K`Hare totlh wrote:

Yeh, M'Rek lost in first PC Match, but still enjoyed it. loved doing the bar scenes expecialy with Tauvits. Hehehe.. The scenes with G'Trell and Sajida are enjoyable and even occation with Ta'pez which is something realy like.

Hoped to do with others, including you K'Hare ;D Before the end of the Tourney.

Got Kral in here as well, introducing him as a Character. Is something realy enjoying and hope to enjoy more and next year.

Qapla my friends

;D