Third Annual BF betleH Tournament

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For next year:
« on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 2:52pm »

I haven't installed the poll module for this forum either, so I will just ask for comments.

The following is a question for the 4th annual betleH tourney. It will have no effect on this year.

Let me say that again. It is too late to change the rules for this year. This will not effect this year at all. Please put the line "For next year at the 4th annual tourney I think: " at the start of each reply because someone will read just the last reply and think its a rule for this year.

OK, we all have it, right, this is for next year?

I have been thinking about the fighting with honor/dirty thing. Currently, the only downside to fighting dirty is ridicule from me. So I have tried to come up with something as a punishment that would still make those who would fight dirty do it.

The best I have come up with is that fighting dirty has a chance of making you get disqualified. It has to be a small chance or it would never be worth it. The two variations I have come up with are fighting dirty, 5% chance, very dirty, 10% chance (or slightly different numbers) or that eceryone has a chance, even fighting very honorably, but the chance gets worse at each level down.

What do people think about doing this for next year? (Not this year!) And what should the odds be?

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #1 on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 3:20pm »

I think its a great idea and should have been put up from the start. I have lost too many battles to the fact that my charater fights honorably in every fight. Its starting to get depressing that the ones who fight with out honor get away with it scott free. Thats why last year and the year before a lot of good honorable fighters got taken out in the first runs. Though they still held their honor they had little else to show for their efforts. Personally I think that some sort of mark should be put up for those who fight dirty" something like a black ribbon they must wear on their armor for the rest of the tourney and for every "dirty fight after that anther ribbon is added that raises the %age for a disqualification. Perhaps This way that charater is constantly reminded through out the tourny that he or she is disgraced for their actions. and those whom fight " Very dirty" take a higher risk of being disqualified. I have no problem with the little guys fighting "Dirty" because some times its the only chance they have to win. For those with a higher score setting like mine 10 & up. there should be a higher percentage of being disqualified and aside from the "black ribbon" for fighting dirty they should run a 10% to 15% of being disqualified seeing as they really dont need the added advantage, and for fighting "Very Dirty" should be 20% to 25% for the same reason.

These are just my thoughts and I dont mind if people disagree. It just seems more fair this way is all. Its probably a bit confusing but I will happly clarify it to anyone interested.

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #2 on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 4:25pm »

So, for next year at the 4th annual tourney you think there should be chance of disqualification that is based on how dirty you fight and what your skill is?

That's a good twist... the better you fight, the more likely a judge will blow the whistle on you... you should know better? And if you cheat in one round, your chance of getting caught goes up? Again, that makes some sense.

But we have to be careful not to make it nonviable to cheat... otherwise, what's the point of allowing it in the first place?

Other comments on a change for next year that doesn't affect this year at all?

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #3 on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 4:33pm »

I'm not 100% sure on a disqualification thing for fighting dirty. It does feel a little like it's overlooking the roleplaying aspects of fighting dishonourably, which I employed last year. Granted, if Tauvits had been disqualified in his dirty fighting last year, I would have rolled with the punches on that one with his story.

The thing is, dirty fighting is way too easily used just for the sake of winning. I like to think I justified Tauvits' arc last year with his manner of fighting, but he way exceeded all expectations as to how far he got, and that was down to the dirty fighting.

I don't know. I think it's a good idea, but there is the fact that not everyone uses dirty fighting just to win their round, OOC. Someone can be doing it for roleplaying reasons JUST as viable as those of someone fighting with honour, and I'm not sure we should punish because of it. But, in terms of RP, it is also fairly reasonable to include potential disqualification.

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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: For next year: « Reply #4 on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 4:35pm » maybe a mega dirty for extra point plus a small disqualification
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K`Hare totlh YaBB Administrator Another keg of Bloodwine is waiting. Posts: 390 Gender:	Re: For next year: « Reply #6 on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 7:02pm » And I was asking for suggestions. Arguably, you could use dirty fighting for role playing only and get no bonus for it. I am just trying to balance it all out. Right now, there is no way to get disqualified. This would add that into the mix.
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Re: For next year:
« Reply #7 on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 7:06pm »

I know I found it a bit distressing that someone who fights honorably is taking down points. Your basicaly incuraging others to fight dirty and the person who fights honorably as a Klingon should is most likely to loose.

Also not sure I agree with the way you ask what skill level is when first join.

When I joined I was staring at that for quiet a while. For one thing I didn't know how you where judged to be allow in game. Another it used Characters as example.

Say you look at where says if skill equal to Kahless. Or if equal to Martok, well your using characters in comparasion with no true standanrd to compare to. How do you know how strong these characters are in relation to each other. I haven't seen anything that puts them on a scale of strongest ot weakest. And How strong is the strongest? How weak is the weakist?

I was concerned that if chose to high would be judged as to strong for the character (didn't know how strong strogest was) But didn't want to chose something to weak because I would be giving understating the strength of my character. I ended up chosing something in between.

Basicaly, saying that should make the scale and choices more clear and easy to understand.

Hope you not mind this on here...

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Falco_Tauvits Junior Member BlueMan Posts: 95	Re: For next year: « Reply #8 on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 7:59pm » That's a fair point. I think I went for the safe (ie, lower) decision on the "As good as..." skill descriptor. It's hard to judge precisely.
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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: For next year: « Reply #9 on: Feb 14^th, 2005, 8:53pm » maybe this way honor iscostlier and hense the reward of it greater
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Re: For next year:
« Reply #10 on: Feb 15^th, 2005, 9:08pm »

On the thing where you choose skill level I chose the highest since I know K'Hare knows the Q'olavraH character as well as I do and so he would give me the right level anyway.. Grin

As to the fighting dirty or honorably thing...

Q'olavraH fought with great honor in EVERY fight last year and she was second place. You CAN win if you fight with great honor all the time. And the last fight with ta'pez did come down to the honor thing, but you know what? I am GLAD it ended with him winning, because it gave both of us a great chance to really grow our characters and do something big.

I know Damian agrees with me 100% because we have spoken and we have both agreed that the writing we did together is some of the best both of us have ever done. We had a blast and I liked losing because it teaches character to your character.

Winning is nice, but losing can be better.

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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: For next year: « Reply #11 on: Feb 15^th, 2005, 9:46pm » couldnt have said it better myself - when it comes down to it - its all about you and your story.
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Re: For next year:
« Reply #12 on: Feb 15^th, 2005, 11:16pm »

Still, I'd like to point one thing out about Q'ol - she's one of the the very most powerful in the tournament, and can afford, much more than others can, to fight honourably, and still stand a great chance at succeeding. She can fight with great honour, and her skill score is still in the top five or six of all contestants in the tournament. So it's not entirely fair to talk about fighting with honour and still doing perfectly well when your character has the combat skill to compensate somewhat for a fighting 'flaw' which RP demands.

My money's still on Q'ol to win this year, mind. Wink

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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: For next year: « Reply #13 on: Feb 15^th, 2005, 11:33pm » then visit the bookie thread
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Re: For next year:
« Reply #14 on: Feb 16^th, 2005, 12:29am »

Well, I hope everyone would expect the high skilled Klingons to fight with honor.

Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory.

And the point isn't to win the tourney. It is to be your character. How does he handle victory, how does he handle loss?

If you can't lose, you can't win.

It is easy to say that I am a judge so how can I understand but remember, the first year I lost my first round to an ensign human who wasn't a combat character. But what happened after?

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