Third Annual BF betleH Tournament

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #30 on: Feb 20^th, 2005, 7:40pm »

Quote from K`Hare totlh on Feb 16^th, 2005, 12:29am:

It is easy to say that I am a judge so how can I understand but remember, the first year I lost my first round to an ensign human who wasn't a combat character. But what happened after?

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #31 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 10:31am »

so the tourney is over - i can say there are a few things that have irked me

1: people with honor settings that arent reflected in their posts - i dont know wht was the reasoning for not postng those clearly - and making sure everybody knows - i think this is a very important aspect - u gotta pay to play and others knowing how you fight and in what way you play dirty

now i can understand if people dont know how to do this battle scene wise - i am sure the more expirienced players can create a lists of do's and donts

not following these guidelines should carry a severe penalty - if you play dirty make sure you write that out - yes winning is nice - but stick to the truth of how you did it - exellent example of that would be last years finale - i played dirty and Qol played honorable and out posts clearly showed that - INFACT those posts were judged by many to be some of the best tourney posts around largely because of this.

2. people posting actions without consideration for others - if you are doing something that is affecting the other player in some way make sure you are ready to cooperate with him in that regard - obviously the judges are set above that - but dont be posting anything that might involve others and then expect that they are just play along with your plans even if that would be totally out of character for the other player
-this is espcially the case in the matches - if something like this occurs the judges should give the match to your opponent no matter what the initial dice outcome was

3. Dont expect to get away with outrageous nuts - you draw a gun on a fed base your in the brig. Some common sense goes alog way - no bloody sword in the legion either - especially not while talking to somebody

4. Irregular posting - i know people like to participate in the tournament as it is something that brings may different players together but if you dont have enough time let others know.

if you cant post let your players know ahead of time - if you expect to be unavailable make some plans and let your fellow match participants know and prepare.

there is no reason for the game to be held up just because you dont have the time to respond.

the judges should consider a process where if the player doesnt post then he might as well loose the match.

last tourney around K'rahl and I had issues putting out jp together due to scedule and timezone conflicts - we made every effort to resolve that including jping something ahead of time that would allow us to quickly do whatever needed done inorder not to let the game hang

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #32 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 10:56am »

First off, the tourney isn't over. There is still one more round. The round of 2 which is the winners from the roudn of 4 but also, 3rd and 4th get determined by facing off.

Much of what you are saying is a problem with any joint mission, and that is what this is, a joint mission. It is just a uniquely constructed one.

Since we are mixing characters from different simms with different styles conflicts will happen. the best we can do is to try and make it better each year.

The response time is an issue. We have to expect and allow for some unexpected things to come up. At the same time, signing up includes some responsibility. So next year we will probably add some rules for the fighters so that the combats run on a better schedule.

One thing I noticed was it was cumbersome not having a area between the two fight times so next year I will suggest having an early fight area, then a lunch area, then a evening fight area. But all in all, I think the forum structure and the different times slices made the problem of some people not getting on each day, a little easier to deal with. I know I have had an easier time following everything this year despite the fact that there was more content.

Not posting the specific mechanics and rolls is a choice. I favor that because it means you have to communicate such things in the writing. If we post all the numbers, then winning becomes a min/max game and in the end, the point is to play your character. The combat system only exists because it would be less fair to have me look at the bios and say Q'olaraH wins... I mean, the character with the best skill from their history wins.

If you as a player want to reveal your honor setting OOC each round, then I don't have a problem with that.

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #33 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 11:02am »

i am not complaining about the tourney being completly linear - no not all - the forum cerainly eased certain things and allowed for the stuff to be revealed in an acceptable fashion

but if you play dirty - everybody should see that - it will be obvious IC if it happens -unless the players decide otherwise that manner should be clearly shown.

not stating that only aids to dishonorble fighting without backing it up.

i am sure if 2 players are posting a long jp then we can wait - they will be updating us - but not posting anything or the thnings that i have mentioned is just not good for this game.

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #34 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 11:53am »

Possibly next year you can make it mandatory that your character stay for the entire tourney, even if they lose.

It makes me somewhat upset that characters seem to disappear as soon as they lose a round.

With my character I stay till the bitter end, and sometimes a bit beyond that. How could K'Hare and I have become such good friends if we had left after we both lost in the first round that first year?

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #35 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 12:12pm »

that would certanly be an option another option would be to have the player have X amount of matches and depending on that they could go from there

instead of having a braket to have a group and then a final shoot out

something along the lines of groups - where all the players play in the group

then the top 2 are selected for the quater and semi finals

groups could be based on skill - or character association (klingons, feds ,champtions, returning players etc)

that way the playout would be staggered

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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: For next year: « Reply #37 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 12:54pm » i am not sure why they would break it - they are the more likely people to win because they are the best
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Re: For next year:
« Reply #38 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 1:12pm »

I don't want to restrict the event to just the people that can spend 2-3 hours a day. There is a place for people who can only check every few days. They can still enjoy it and add to it.

Look at Sajida this year. She couldn't guarentee the time early one but she is active now.

I do think that the combats need people who are more available because passae of time is dependant on the combat happening.

But note that I also think one can have fun and enjoy this tourney without being in any matches... look what happened to K'Hare this year for example. The interaction with Sajida and Tauvits and Taylor. The stuf with Taylor would have happened anyway, just in a different setting but the stuff with the other two... probably not.

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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: For next year: « Reply #39 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 1:24pm » i just feel that with the tourney being limited to 64 contestants - the contestants should be those people who are active and can tell a lot those who have less time can be there as attendees - the way sajida managed
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Re: For next year:
« Reply #40 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 2:45pm »

Do the honour stances get told to the opponant before the match?

If not they probably should be, then during the JP both players can ensure their characters and their opponents characters are fighting as they planned.

Perhaps the bio system could be adapted next year to send out email reminders about honour stances, and perhaps even send out emails to each competitor about their next match. It would save K'Hare (or who ever) having to do that manually.

Speaking as a practical lay person in here, I'd think that most fighters would be able to work out someones honour stance in a real fight after a few blows. Theres no reason why the players shouldn't find it out OOC so they can factor that in to their posts.

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #41 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 3:00pm »

Speaking as someone who plays a sneaky bastard or two, there's no way to tell if your opponent is willing to fight dirty or not... Until they actually do something.

A properly played sneaky bastard will fight honorably until you slip in that puddle of some body fluid or other. Then, he'll make the dirty move while you are off-balance.

Some people may fight dirty from the get-go, but the ones to worry about are the ones who pretend to be honorable, but will sieze any dishonorable opening that presents itself. It's a matter of being opportunistically dirty vs. consistently dirty.

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Re: For next year:
« Reply #42 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 6:19pm »

Quote from K`Hare totlh on Feb 24^th, 2005, 1:12pm:

I don't want to restrict the event to just the people that can spend 2-3 hours a day. There is a place for people who can only check every few days. They can still enjoy it and add to it.

Look at Sajida this year. She couldn't guarentee the time early one but she is active now.

I do think that the combats need people who are more available because passae of time is dependant on the combat happening.

But note that I also think one can have fun and enjoy this tourney without being in any matches... look what happened to K'Hare this year for example. The interaction with Sajida and Tauvits and Taylor. The stuf with Taylor would have happened anyway, just in a different setting but the stuff with the other two... probably not.

Yeh, M'Rek lost in first PC Match, but still enjoyed it. loved doing the bar scenes expecialy with Tauvits. Hehehe.. The scenes with G'Trell and Sajida are enjoyable and even occation with Ta'pez which is something realy like.

Hoped to do with others, including you K'Hare ;D Before the end of the Tourney.

Got Kral in here as well, introducing him as a Character. Is something realy enjoying and hope to enjoy more and next year.

Qapla my friends

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