Third Annual BF betleH Tournament - ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing

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Re: A place for the big OOC discussion
« Reply #15 on: Feb 24^th, 2005, 6:08pm »

One other thing to remember is the massive amount of rumors going around IC regarding the genetics of K'Hare and Ta'pez. While we all know OOC what happened at the meH'Haj dinner, most people on the base only have heard rumore IC.

So I wouldn't be surprised if numerous people were trying to surreptitiously scan the two of them to try to confirm the rumors.

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 10:13am »

To answer K'Hare's question:

People would have gone through a scan when they came on board to ensure they weren't carrying a disease, concealing weapons or explosives, etc... while conducting that scan, the computer would have detected and recorded the species of the person in question. The officer operating the scan would likely not even look at that result and certainly would not care -- mixed heritage is not as big of a deal in the Federation as it is in the Empire. The only point I was making here was that, if Ta'pez objected to his character being scanned, then it was too late because it already happened IC.

I'm sorry but I think I've lost sight of the problem here and this is dragging on forever. Could each Ta'pez and Tal'Vur state their greivence concisely and I'll make a call.

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Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing
« Reply #17 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 11:44am »

The basic argument here was the following.

Talvur decided to scan me and K'Tar. That this is something that klingons would object to is a certainty. For one we are big on privacy and as you noted during the meH'Haj dinner, some didnt even have a medical record available.

Now since the event had happened and Talvur had decided to go about this I decided to make his achievement not so sure.

I wrote in that my security people ae watching him. Valren in turn wrote that his his security people are watching.

From here I see it as a matter of XFY security stepping in as the klingons raise a stink (i already posted to that regard and then an investigation follows).

In my opinion the tricorder woud be confiscated and and investigation would follow. The klingons would object to this illigal behavior the judges would be notified and could be a scene about this. The tricorder would be returned after the end of the matches preferably without the data.

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Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing
« Reply #18 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:01pm »

My view is thus:

I'm a Federation doctor and I don't recall there being anything against a doctor making a few scans, pretty much anywhere (other than for classified reasons) and I don't sewe why this shouldn't apply here.

Ta'pez notes that he said his security people are watching, but he also called it as an assination plot after it was ruled that if the klingons were to attack/accost/whatever me they would be stunned and put in the brig and I saw this as lashing out because he really didn't want me to have those scans after the judges ruled.

I don't have a problem with he fact that I was 'caught' in the act and I don't have a problem with this debate (debate is healthy most of the time) I just disagree with the fact that the data would be confiscated or the doc arrested unless there was some proof that he was doing something blatantly illegal (which I don't see), at most I see a bunch of security people being followed by a bunch of security people being followed by....but you get the idea. I just don't understand why data would be confiscated in the first place.

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Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing
« Reply #19 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:06pm »

because the people who are protesting are of considerable political influence. Sorta like Tony Blair coming to Bush and saying - hey i reaaally have an issue with it.

i can live with their way of the argument - once the decision has been made.

mainly its a culture clash and i would like to display it as such.

on a side note - debate is healthy, although TalVur and I have have a difference of opinion we are not letting our working relationship be impacted.

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TalVur Junior Member The Doc Posts: 84 Gender:	Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing « Reply #20 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:11pm » Exactly, and as soon as the tournament is over, Ta'pez and Tal'Vur are engaged to be engaged! That's how much we like each other! Just kidding, but I've actually been working with him to make graphics for the dagger of shame.
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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing « Reply #21 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:15pm » Quote from TalVur on Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:11pm: Exactly, and as soon as the tournament is over, Ta'pez and Tal'Vur are engaged to be engaged! That's how much we like each other! thats a scary line
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Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing
« Reply #22 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:15pm »

That is the thing. If you are Klingon.. this is considered to be a big no, no.

Klingons do not go to the doctor. It is established fact that there are no medical scans on file for most Klingons because we do not seek medical treatment.

There are exceptions of course, but if you review most of the medical knowledge for BFs Klingons you will see that any medical stuff done to them was done a.) By some Federation person who was breaking the rules of Klingon medical ettiquette, and b.) when the Klingon who was having done to them was unconscious and couldn't make them stop what they were doing to them. If other Klingons are around when this happens they will forcibly stop the medical person from doing whatever it is that breaks this unwritten code.

Do not scan a Klingon unless you want your tricorder smashed.

If we agree to treatment at all it is by folk healing and herbal remedy.

We have several maxims on this subject:

ropehoHbe' tlhInganpu'
Klingons do not get sick.

QongDaqDaq Qotbe' tlhInganpu'
Klingons do not lie in bed.

Notes on these two sayings say specifically:

There is a general distrust of medicine. Klingons value being in control, so having the need for medical interventioon is a sign of not only physical weakness but of spiritual weakness. Kras said, "The sick should die. Only the strong should live."

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TalVur Junior Member The Doc Posts: 84 Gender:	Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing « Reply #23 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:19pm » Quote from Ta`pez HoD on Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:15pm: thats a scary line No, the wedding pictures would be scary. I can't imagine seeing Ta'pez in a white gown...because we're going to be keeping my name.
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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing « Reply #24 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:26pm » beheads the good doctor problem solved althogether - ------------------------- on a more serious note - read the last post of QolavraH - she pretty much stated the culture conflict.
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TalVur Junior Member The Doc Posts: 84 Gender:	Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing « Reply #25 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:32pm » It would look a lot like this. Sorry to disappoint you guys, but Tappy isn't that good looking in a dress.
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Ta`pez HoD Senior Member For the Glory of the House of Chang! Posts: 369 Gender:	Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing « Reply #26 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:35pm » Seems like somebody will be fighting an honor challenge
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Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing
« Reply #28 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 2:14pm »

Quote from TalVur on Feb 25^th, 2005, 12:01pm:

My view is thus:

I'm a Federation doctor and I don't recall there being anything against a doctor making a few scans, pretty much anywhere (other than for classified reasons) and I don't sewe why this shouldn't apply here.

I'm a Klingon warrior and I don't recall there being anything against an insulted HoD making a few stabs with his Daqtagh, pretty much anywhere (other than for a few ceremonial reasons) and I don't see why this shouldn't apply here.

What happened makes perfect sense to me, in character. So we should handle it, all in character. I like how this will show another aspect of Klingon culture in a new way. tal'vur is about to learn in character, that Klingon’s don’t like medicine. Look back at my scene with val’ren and how close his telepathy was to becoming an issue. If anyone mind scans K’Hare and he finds out, he wont react well. How to resolve that is a question the situation would answer.

On XFY, in the end, security or valren will have to decide, in character. I am guessing he would attempt to delete the data in deference to the Empire representative but he needs to figure out what is in character for him and the federation. On KDB, security would form a barrier and expect the two to fight to the death over this. It’s a difference in the federation vs. Empire viewpoint.

It is good drama... let's see what happens.

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TalVur Junior Member The Doc Posts: 84 Gender:	Re: ta'pez/tal'vur scanning thing « Reply #29 on: Feb 25^th, 2005, 3:18pm » Going back off topic: In the interest of fairness to Ta'pez...
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