Fourth Annual BF betleH Tournament

Fourth Annual BF betleH Tournament
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Message started by Rolf Emerson on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:15pm

Title: Replying in the matches
Post by Rolf Emerson on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:15pm

This may be a silly question but I've noticed that some people are replying to our qualifyer match. Why would you do that and who can do that?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Taj`vl on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:19pm

It's not like you fight in a box... People watch the matches. People are in the stands, and people are generally not silent in the stands. It's that simple. And the whole point of the tournament is not the matches themselves, it's the plot. The story. And you can only take the story so far with a bat'leth.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Rolf Emerson on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:37pm

So if I see an interesting plot and I want to reply it I can?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Taylor on Feb 13^th, 2006, 9:44pm

As long as you don't end up in two places at the same time yes.

~Dan

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2006, 3:24am

Yeah, since you are fighting, you can't really watch all the other fights. There is probably 4 or 5 or 8 going on at once, so maybe you can catch one or two. Attendees shouldn't see more than two. Its easier if no one sees more than one but we can be a little lax. Just dont' go nuts and see them all...

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Separ on Feb 14^th, 2006, 3:40am

K`Hare totlh wrote:

though as the matches go i take this will be lowered.

they wont be holding the brakets at the same time will they ?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2006, 5:50am

Right. When it gets to the 16, assume 4 matches at once... then for 8, 2 matchs, then they can be staggered even though they could still be in different rings.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Wado on Feb 14^th, 2006, 10:28am

Since this event is being "televised", you could always post reactions to matches if your character watches them later. It wouldn't be uncommon for a warrior to watch matches of his next opponent after it has been announced. But for the most part you should go based on what K'hare mentioned.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by toreQ on Feb 14^th, 2006, 11:59am

I'm confused. If toreQ lost the first round. Why is he in the second?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Jackie Clawson on Feb 14^th, 2006, 12:16pm

These are the seven random matched. After that the top 16 folks will be paired up and from there on be eliminated one by one.

This might help things a little: http://www.betleh.com/cgi-bin/b4/YaBB.pl?num=1139636715

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Rolf Emerson on Feb 14^th, 2006, 1:15pm

tore'Q I was confused by that too. Apparently no one is getting knocked out of the first match. Apparently we all get to fight 2 matches and I guess the winner of the second match is who goes to the second round.

Did I get that right? I hope so because this is very confusing.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Beckett on Feb 14^th, 2006, 1:17pm

No, we all fight seven matches. Of these seven, the top sixteen people with the highest number of wins go through to phase three of the tournament.

Think of these matches as a leauge. Then the top sixteen move on to the one-on-one elimination brackets. The first round was the match against the PC player, the second has been generated, but not fought.

Any clearer?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by toreQ on Feb 14^th, 2006, 1:24pm

Umm.. just realized something... How do we change type of fight? I saw the first round was disarm.. who choses? and How do you change it?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Taylor on Feb 14^th, 2006, 1:26pm

Competition matches are always to disarm I believe.

You can speak to K'Hare about other types of matchs, but remember what happens in the ring affects the game. A gash in your arm from a first blood fight stays with you ;)

And a death match... well one of you wont be bringing thier characters back to betleH next year ;)

~Dan

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2006, 2:58pm

Thanks Beckett. I love it when the participants can help by answering questions... saves us judges time. (:}

I will repeat it anyway.

The format for the tourney this year is as follows (IN CHARACTER):

Phase I: You fight someone random (NPC) to show the judges you wont get killed in the ring for being stupid.

Phase II: You fight 7 matches in one day... one every hour. From this you get a win-loss record. (Stat board button.)

Phase III: Top 16 (win button) of Phase II move to a standard single elimination bracket.

Out of character, it works like this:

Phase I: You post a fight with an NPC. This is your chance to impress us with your writing as well show off the style of your character. It also means everyone gets to win one match.

Phase II: In 7 days, you fight 7 matches using the combat app. Each day you should look at your opponent and select your honor stance in your bio before the next round happens. You will have about 24 hours to do this but due to my weird schedule, I only guarentee 12. Basically I will try to do each one around midnight EST but round 1 was the first one, I did it a little late so round 2 will come a little fast.

Phase III: The top 16 from Phase II go to a standard single elimination bracket. For these matches, the program will determine who won, but the fighters will post the combat. Each pair will be told who won so they can write up the combat.

The main reaosn for the change this year is this. In previous years, half of the entries were eliminated in the first round so half the people got one PC fight and lost. This way, ness gets to lose 7 times... I mean, this way, each fighter gets 7 PC matches. Then the top 16 get 1-4 more so a bunch of people get 7 PC fights, 8 get 8, 4 get 9, 2 get 10, and 2 get 11 fights. You are only required to write up matches in the top 16 so people wont get spent early. Basically, this gives everyone more fights so its not a bummer when half people are out the first day.

The randomness does have an effect. Based on the skill values the first round, there were upsets. Also, look at Wolfe.. he had to face Ta'pez in round 1 and lost. One would expect both of them to make it to the last 16, but suppose Wolfe fights Ta'pez, then Satian, then Bremer, then Q'ol, etc. In other words, he has a hard schedule. He'd win some but would lose some. Hopefully 7 matches will even that out. But you could imagine one of the top fighters only facing other top fighters and coming out 3/7 while a weaker fighter only faced easy opponents and came out 5/7. That's just the luck of the draw... literally.

Other questions?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by KentraDonrav on Feb 14^th, 2006, 3:05pm

Are the draws truely random, or random with eleminating factors? Ie after fighting fighter X will I possibly meet them again in the first round, because in a truely random draw I might, or am I not able to meet them again?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2006, 3:36pm

The pairings in PhaseII are completely random. I have a script with makes the random pairs then runs the challenge script on each pair.

When the top 16 are picked, the top guy will fight number 16, the 2nd will fight 15, and so forth. Assuming the top 4 always win, they will be the last 4 in the semi finals and 1 will fight either 3 or 4. I have to look that up. But that's the standard way to do single elimination tourneys such as professional tennis. We just aren't seeding.

But, nothing stops you from challenging the guy in the sparring room because he cheated! That is, if you both signed up for sparring too.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by ejmonahan on Feb 14^th, 2006, 3:47pm

Taylor wrote:

Does this include our Joined Trill players with symbiots?

Meaning does the symbiot die with the fighter, or with the host dead is an attempt to save the symbiot allowed.?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by KentraDonrav on Feb 14^th, 2006, 3:57pm

So if it's completely random it is possible (though unlikely) for example to be drawn against the same person to be drawn against the same person 7 times in a row.

As for trills dying, I would imagine it would depend on the blow. Most likely unless the symbiot itself was hurt or a new host could be found then the symbiot would live, but probably wouldn't come back next year.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by T`shir on Feb 14^th, 2006, 5:55pm

Are all the first round matches a Disarm match? No First Blood or Strike?

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 14^th, 2006, 8:57pm

The tourney matches have always been disarm. One year K'rahl lost his match against ta'pez because pezzle got him mad and he threw his weapon into pezzie's chest.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Taj`vl on Feb 14^th, 2006, 9:02pm

then there's the whole point that nobody would fight in a tourney on first strike because the equivalent of First Strike is flipping a coin. Whereas Disarm is a long arduous process.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 15^th, 2006, 3:44am

First strike would have a more random outcome than sparring or disarm.

Maybe someone can dig up the URL to where I talk a little about how the match types work. But Disarm is supposed to be a serious fight until you drop thing. Sparring makes it easier to hit but you last longer. First blood is essentially first critical hit (different hits do different amounts of 'damage') and first strike is just the first one to hit when the other misses.

Note that FS is not toally random. K'Hare vs. Taj'vl 10 times should favor K'Hare but Taj'vl would win more times that way than disarm. K'Hare should win more because his chance to hit and chance to block is higher... or so one would expect.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by Rolf Emerson on Feb 15^th, 2006, 1:22pm

So are the winners of the Phase 3 match the ones who will move on to the second round? Sorry if I'm asking this in the wrong place

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by KentraDonrav on Feb 15^th, 2006, 1:27pm

Think of it as like the Olympic Ice Hockey tournament. We're in the round robin stage now, where we each have a series of fights and the top 16 based on Win/Loss ratio advances to the sudden death knock out round.

Currently we've each fought two fights in the round robin round, and we have five more to go (I believe).

Those top 16 that advance then fight one match and the 8 who win those matches move onto the next round and they all fight one match and the 4 who win move onto another round until the final is just two people and the winner of that gets the wine, women and tribbles.

The very first match on Day 0 was a qualifying match, and not really part of the tournament proper. Like the English World Cup football team had to qualify for the World Cup, that first match was us qualifying for the tournament.

Title: Re: Replying in the matches
Post by K`Hare totlh on Feb 15^th, 2006, 8:05pm

Right.

One more time.

Seven matches in Phase II. Seven times there will be random pairings. Everyone will fight 7 times. We don't expect writeups since we are doing one a day for 7 days.

Next week, after 7 matches with everyone the top 16 (click the win button on the stat board) will move forward.